tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post8358805671212881178..comments2024-01-04T07:28:40.043-05:00Comments on God is a myth!: Jesus contradicts himself! Chatpilothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-3361786904217863922014-04-27T10:56:07.711-04:002014-04-27T10:56:07.711-04:00I agree, the stupid asinine replies I get to that ...I agree, the stupid asinine replies I get to that make me feel like I am trying to have a rational discussion with a baboon! They throw out the pathetic "if God provided evidence then that would defeat the purpose of faith." They go on about how he has revealed himself through his word and how we should open our hearts and minds and accept that. Or how we have the so called "free will" to choose to be evil or submit to God since they equate non-belief with being evil and immoral by default. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-3672975812334311492014-04-27T02:36:51.269-04:002014-04-27T02:36:51.269-04:00The person you are arguing with above is inconsist...The person you are arguing with above is inconsistent with his beliefs. How does one believe in and omnipotent and omniscient god yet state that he is incapable of providing the right level of evidence for a non believer? It's like saying sure I'am omnipowerful but I can't pick up that car or that bus.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840959213258195802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-64971858041167875992014-04-27T02:24:19.939-04:002014-04-27T02:24:19.939-04:00Wouldn't an omniscient being know exactly what...Wouldn't an omniscient being know exactly what to show Chatpilot in order to renew his faith?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06840959213258195802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-61591355253768316142014-04-21T23:30:28.205-04:002014-04-21T23:30:28.205-04:00Wow all that blather about your understanding of t...Wow all that blather about your understanding of the ancient Hebrew myths you have chosen to believe in and all you can come up with is how morally bankrupt I might be? Or how Christianity is too rigid to follow and I want to live as I please? Your responses are pathetic and claim to know a lot about me when you actually don't know me at all, <br /><br />Let's look at your gods idea of morality against mine. Let's see I have never killed anyone, raped, robbed, physically abused anyone, gave people the death penalty for disrespecting their parents. Your god if he existed would be by definition a morally bankrupt monster. The descriptions the Bible gives of him is not flattering at all. In fact, he comes off like a psychopath. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-3289187219962746062014-04-21T17:11:55.777-04:002014-04-21T17:11:55.777-04:00Your responses are question-begging. I have a just...Your responses are question-begging. I have a just-so story: you gave up Christianity because you wanted to indulge yourself, morally, and it's more convenient to try to explain away Christianity than it is to face up to whatever moral shortcomings you have.Randy Everisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870605678781409126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-39254835098092388412014-04-21T07:10:57.378-04:002014-04-21T07:10:57.378-04:00Regarding Thomas there was never a moment where I ...Regarding Thomas there was never a moment where I said that he was unsaved or unrepentant. In fact, all I'm saying in this case is that he did not believe as the text clearly states that the other disciples had seen Jesus post mortem. None of this has to do with whether he was saved or not and that's not the point that I was making in the article. <br /><br />If your god existed and was as is believed omnipotent, omniscient,and omnipresent then it shouldn't be a problem for him to provide evidence of his existence. I require a Thomas moment or seeing him descending from heaven riding flying horses with his army to defend Israel from its enemies. If that last part sounded stupid it's because it is. You truly believe that a man claiming to be the son of God and died nearly two thousand years ago is actually going to come back? If you answer yes my reply is that such a belief is laughable and childish. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-46249492473125355042014-04-21T06:56:03.691-04:002014-04-21T06:56:03.691-04:00I gave up on God when I realized that the entire b...I gave up on God when I realized that the entire belief system was based on ancient myths and superstitions of the past. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-46368990937361318492014-04-20T23:18:42.665-04:002014-04-20T23:18:42.665-04:00As to these last two paragraphs, you are supposing...As to these last two paragraphs, you are supposing a number of things: 1. That the relevant counterfactuals are true of you in this world such that if you were to receive more evidence, you would come to saving faith. Why think that's true? I think, on the basis of (2) forthcoming, (1) is highly dubious (and is at least close to inscrutable anyway), and if you would not freely come to faith, given certain evidential conditions, then it doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or a Buddhist or an unregenerate Christian--you're not any closer to regenerate status. As such, God wouldn't owe you that necessary condition, since the sufficient conditions wouldn't be fulfilled. And then (2): God hasn't answered your prayer, supposedly, yet. And yet you apparently gave up 20 years ago. Whose fault is that? Why expect that if God wanted you to be saved, and there are relevant counterfactuals, that those counterfactuals would be true of you immediately? What if you weren't able to interpret such evidences? What if the only evidences that would convince you of saving faith were such that it would not be entered into freely? So long as these are possibilities, there's really not much that can be said. All we know for sure is you prayed a prayer and gave up 20 years ago.Randy Everisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870605678781409126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-62426522616396490802014-04-20T23:18:37.323-04:002014-04-20T23:18:37.323-04:00Your method for arriving at a biblical definition ...Your method for arriving at a biblical definition of faith is very, very faulty. First, there's no discussion of the words underlying the text (which is important). Second, you assume a univocality of meaning for "faith," while examining two uses. You don't--even can't--establish a lexical use/meaning of a word. The Greek noun "pistis" and its declensions ("pisteos" in 11:6, for example) is variously translated, but in general claims a semantic range around the word "belief" or "trust." This word has a verb form, which is reflected in verse 6, called "pisteuo," which is usually translated "believe." These two words are symmetrical in many cases (that is, one is the form of the other). Unfortunately, in English this is not quite the case. While the noun form of "believe" is "belief," "faith" is not the noun form of "believe," and "faith" has no verb form in English (e.g., "to faith" or something).<br /><br />All that said, it remains absolutely bewildering that you should read "hope" and "faith" as synonyms, since, if this is supposed to be a definition, makes "hope" a circular part of it (e.g., "faith is confidence in what we have faith for"). The word for hope is not a pure synonym for faith. It is rather an expectancy. Further, the word for "substance" or the translation "confidence," the word used is "hypostasis," which is a combination of a preposition meaning "under" and "standing" or "standing still." It holds a semantic range that includes "foundation," "substance," "substructure," "confidence," among others. From that, you conclude, amongst other things, that faith involves believing "without evidence." But that conclusion doesn't even follow from a naive reading of this passage, much less an actually sound exegetical one. Now, you might be illicitly presupposing that something only counts as "evidence" if it has been observed, but that will lead to some absurdities (or will lead to the proposition that evidence is not essential for justified beliefs, which is interesting). Apparently, this is what you're saying, since you go on to say that unless you can see something with your senses, you won't believe it is the mentality of a rational person. This is both a substandard and naive epistemology (and either wholly unjustifiable, at best, or self-referentially incoherent, at worst, depending on whether you take this sense requirement to be merely epistemological, or ontological). Yet at other points, you seem to think there is at least a semantic difference between this sense requirement and evidence <i>simpliciter</i> when you say, "You must believe without having seen or requiring evidence!" That last disjunct doesn't seem to be used as a synonym for the first. If it is, of course, the same problems attend (which I will be glad to point out), and if it is not, it's unjustifiably derived from the text.<br /><br />You then use the univocality fallacy to infer that saving faith also entails not ever seeing, or at least seeing not resulting in the saving faith. But beyond this fallacious inference, it is assumed that salvation was imputed to Thomas on the basis of this encounter, which is dubious (since he had already agreed to follow the Messiah and was no Judas [cf. John 17]). So your fallacious appeal is doubly fallacious, in that it requires Thomas having been unregenerate as well as the word "faith" being univocal.Randy Everisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06870605678781409126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-66864927674491792482014-04-09T17:30:46.225-04:002014-04-09T17:30:46.225-04:00Charles zuchick, whether you know it or not the ar...Charles zuchick, whether you know it or not the argument you have presented is known as Pascal's Wager. It is a weak argument and also one that is logically inconsistent. So instead of trying to refute it I will add a link for you where it has been thoroughly refuted already. <br /><br />http://infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/wager.htmlChatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-50712948048563757402014-04-09T16:08:34.375-04:002014-04-09T16:08:34.375-04:00I did answer you question quite clearly. Your ques...I did answer you question quite clearly. Your question was have I ever been wrong? Of course, I've been wrong about many things we are not perfect and cannot possibly know everything about all things. <br /><br />The apparent argument you are presenting is what is known as Pascal's wager. It is weak and has several flaws which I will gladly point out to you here. First you must prove that God exists and not just any god but the Judaeo Christian god Yaweh. To date that has been an impossible task. Man has been creating gods for himself from the beginning and continues to do so today. Next you must prove that outside of the scriptures Jesus existed as a man and was who he said he was the son of God or god incarnate. Another impossible task. You fail to recognize that as an atheist we don't believe that your Bible is the word of any god but rather the creation of man himself. Remember that yesterday's religions,god, and beliefs are all part of today's myths and are correctly classified as superstitions. <br /><br />In my opinion Christianity is no exception. It too is the creation of man and should be classified as an ancient myth and superstion because that is exactly what it is. On the same note atheists don't believe in any of the many mythological creatures that exist in the Bible. We don't believe in angels, demons, heaven, or hell therefore we don't fear it. <br /><br />Your entire belief system is based entirely on faith without evidence on an ancient myth and superstition of various cultures such as the Cannan, Babilonian, Hebrew, etc.If you argue from the Bible that God exists then your argument commits the logical fallacy of circular reasoning. Since there is no god then sin is an imaginary concept and condition that outside of a religious context makes no sense and doesn't exist either. <br /><br />I talk about your non-existent god because it has a great infuence in my country's pollitics and can affect my life as well. For instance it opposes gay marriages, wants to impose prayer in our public schools, insists in creationism as an alternative to evolution, the big bang, and abiogenesis as fact and that we should teach that garbage in our schools. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-2133655877406187642014-04-09T12:42:58.549-04:002014-04-09T12:42:58.549-04:00You did not answer my question I asked you have yo...You did not answer my question I asked you have you ever been wrong? and you say "God's plan of salvation as a whole it seem utterly ridiculous that he is trying to save us from a problem he created. He is saving us from himself" Well us Christians believe in a thing called freewill. God gives you the choice to follow sin or look to his son Jesus. That my friend is what we called freewill. If atheist Don't believe in God why do 95% of them always look to talk about God. Why like to talk about something you don"t think is real. define a real Christian in my belief a "real" christian does not judge,Dose not force Christianity on a non believer although we do say if you don't accept Jesus as your savior you will burn in hell. Thats in the Bible. When it comes down to it skip all debate It all comes down to believe or don't. see if your right and im right about God ill just lay in the ground when i die and im out of a few prayers. Now what if im right you will burn in hell and i will live in the kingdom of Heaven. Most of the arguments I get into with atheist end in me picking apart there argument because yall make the mistake of talking about something you don't think is real and 99% of arguments with atheist the atheist makes the mistake acknowledging hell exist and or saying God is a non existent "person". Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14844275257430969906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-85987557763314657182014-04-08T09:06:43.691-04:002014-04-08T09:06:43.691-04:00Look up the words myth, superstition, and folklore...Look up the words myth, superstition, and folklore then compare them to your beliefs. There are many reasons why I think that I am not so wrong about this. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are just the latest of a long line of ancient superstitions. Besides, when it comes to God's plan of salvation as a whole it seem utterly ridiculous that he is trying to save us from a problem he created. He is saving us from himself! Lol Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-56283650651332848362014-04-08T01:40:13.104-04:002014-04-08T01:40:13.104-04:00Have you ever been wrong? See if im wrong im out o...Have you ever been wrong? See if im wrong im out of a little time from prayer but if your wrong...... Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14844275257430969906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-6661622544731131702014-04-06T11:12:45.256-04:002014-04-06T11:12:45.256-04:00That's my main contention! If God could do it ...That's my main contention! If God could do it for them he could do it for me. If salvation was so important wouldn't you try to make it so that no one had an excuse? I would. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-51957343623459903112014-04-06T01:01:52.711-04:002014-04-06T01:01:52.711-04:00What I can never understand is why are some people...What I can never understand is why are some people in the Bible allowed to get the so called direct evidence and others are just meant to believe. If this is the case then surely atheists are just like Thomas in requesting evidence? Also, as you are aware its not only Thomas but others in the Bible that also got this first hand evidence.Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01243905647317437724noreply@blogger.com