tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post3060320987280213603..comments2024-01-04T07:28:40.043-05:00Comments on God is a myth!: The Pentecostals and hypnosisChatpilothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-81640740207636504012015-08-30T12:56:16.882-04:002015-08-30T12:56:16.882-04:00Thanks for commenting. I find as an atheist who ha...Thanks for commenting. I find as an atheist who has been through it that this is one of the missing components in those atheists that have never had these types of exepriences with religious beliefs. They don't fully comprehend the profundity of the influence of charismatic beliefs. Once it has you its influence goes deep and it's very difficult to break free from. Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-18129895908780551272015-08-30T11:52:34.042-04:002015-08-30T11:52:34.042-04:00As a kid I grew up in a charismatic AG Church. Its...As a kid I grew up in a charismatic AG Church. Its nice to read like minded people who experienced these things too. For me, though, it was scary. I never got hypnotized, though, I felt like I came very close as I was leaving childhood going into my teenage years. I thought because I rejected the hypnosis I was fighting the "Spirit." For a few years I lived in extreme fear and anxiety of Hell because of this. This is why religion is very, very bad. If anyone ever tried to put the "fear of God" in to my daughter, knowing what I went though, I would be very, very angry!Hog Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01607000677243896918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-91105475209117613942014-02-08T06:35:34.692-05:002014-02-08T06:35:34.692-05:00The fact that people are using religion to fill th...The fact that people are using religion to fill their own interests, ecstasy or money or power or fame, doesn't mean that someone has to say No to God his Creator. All these movements are not biblical either. If we read the Bible seriously and not superficially we will by surprise find that Paul already Condemned this attitutde to Corinthian Church, and that the tongues of Pentecost were real tongues..and not mystical as many say. Today i never found any Church where someone is speaking my mother Language that is the ancient Greek. So i believe this manifestation of the Holy Spirit is useless today, with all the translators and books we have. My friend, if i can call you like this (by permission), if people doesnt understand the Bible and make so many errors, doesn't mean we have to forget the Love of Jesus on the Cross for everyone of us. Jesus still loves you and me, and Waits you to serve Him with your new state of Truth. Greeting from Milano (Italy) (i passed through so called churches with the same experiences, but thanks God i found the real peace in Jesus Himself and not superstitions) God bless everybodyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13800617900249196084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-32029769202395658372014-02-08T06:34:39.677-05:002014-02-08T06:34:39.677-05:00The fact that people are using religion to fill th...The fact that people are using religion to fill their own interests, ecstasy or money or power or fame, doesn't mean that someone has to say No to God his Creator. All these movements are not biblical either. If we read the Bible seriously and not superficially we will by surprise find that Paul already Condemned this attitutde to Corinthian Church, and that the tongues of Pentecost were real tongues..and not mystical as many say. Today i never found any Church where someone is speaking my mother Language that is the ancient Greek. So i believe this manifestation of the Holy Spirit is useless today, with all the translators and books we have. My friend, if i can call you like this (by permission), if people doesnt understand the Bible and make so many errors, doesn't mean we have to forget the Love of Jesus on the Cross for everyone of us. Jesus still loves you and me, and Waits you to serve Him with your new state of Truth. Greeting from Milano (Italy) (i passed through same experiences, but thanks God i found the real peace in Jesus Himself and not superstitions) God bless everybodyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13800617900249196084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-80483913946098547462012-04-16T16:25:25.025-04:002012-04-16T16:25:25.025-04:00I fully agree upbringing/early indoctrination play...I fully agree upbringing/early indoctrination plays an enormous part. It could well be that a person with a high IQ raised in a fundamentalist household is actually stunted or at least dissuaded from persuing a career in science and questioning since reason is the enemy of faith. Religion seems to waste perfectly good minds; and less intelligent people tend to gravitate toward religious belief... not exclusively less intelligent, just predominantly. <br /><br />And I did not mean to imply that on an individual basis all relgionists are less intelligent than atheists. That would be nuts. The 30+ studies from the 30's through the 80's which I mentioned in my first boook, and which are available through a google search, show stong correlation between degree of religiosity and a lower level of intelligence. But that's an aggregate result. Individually there must be tens of thousands of religionists smarter than me .. and certainly millions who spell better :)Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-31153202743859871942012-04-16T15:11:13.936-04:002012-04-16T15:11:13.936-04:00Hump, as far as the propensity of non-belief of th...Hump, as far as the propensity of non-belief of the intellectual goes I wholeheartedly agree with you. The numbers don't lie on that issue. On the other hand I believe that your upbringing and the degree of your indoctrination has a lot to do with how far you take those beliefs. Not to mention how hard you are willing to fight to defend those beliefs.<br /><br />I do think that you might have a point regarding the charismatics such as the Pentecostals and their propensities to believe in the supernatural. I guess I took personal offense because I don't consider myself to be less intelligent than the next guy, and although I did not go to college ( I choose military service)I fell victim to the insanity of Pentecostalism. <br /><br />But I attribute my personal experience to my Hispanic culture. Hispanics in my view tend to be very superstitious and religious the same goes for the Afro-American community. Once I was able to break away from the fears that came with my cultural superstitions regarding God I was able to free my mind indefinitely from all forms of superstition.Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-75617427780161346862012-04-16T07:56:03.809-04:002012-04-16T07:56:03.809-04:00PS: It also begs the question as to why the great...PS: It also begs the question as to why the greatest scientific minds in the world reject religion in such a large proportion if intellect where not a major cause for non-belief?Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-65554841238656978652012-04-16T07:51:07.751-04:002012-04-16T07:51:07.751-04:00Chat...
fully understand compartmentalization. an...Chat... <br />fully understand compartmentalization. and yes, some sicentisists are beievers. But here's the thing, if 93% of the National academy of science are non-believers (97% of the Royal Academy in the UK), that leaves 7% believers. <br /><br />Of those 7%, how many would we find flopping on the floor, talking in tonngues, and otherwise participating in charasmatic hysteria? I'm going to proffer none. <br /><br />Could that be that the greatest scentific minds are the greatest scientific minds because they were [coincidently] not raised among extreme religiosity? That some significant proportion are Jews and other non-xtian religionists? Or is it because they rejected such extremist religiosity because of their intellectual advantage? <br /><br />I don't know the answer, perhaps a mix of the three is likely. Just thinking out loud.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-68100033925280603732012-04-15T18:42:50.254-04:002012-04-15T18:42:50.254-04:00What I am trying to say Hump is that once you are ...What I am trying to say Hump is that once you are indoctrinated you tend to separate your rational mind from your faith. I did exactly that and it wasn't till I began to actually question my faith that I began to activate my rational mind and apply it to the scriptures and what I believed at the time. It wasn't an easy escape for me as I have made clear before. In the end breaking free from radical beliefs is rather difficult and usually something or some event has to trigger your desire to do so.Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-59925572061109763122012-04-15T18:40:04.413-04:002012-04-15T18:40:04.413-04:00It's not really about intelligence in my opini...It's not really about intelligence in my opinion because as you know there are bonafide scientists that are actually Christians. In fact, there are many intelligent people that are even fundamentalists as well. I think it's about the degree of indoctrination that they have received. There is also the theory that intelligent people tend to compartmentalize their rational mind from their faith beliefs.Chatpilothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03550924322118366351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-82804270652160634512012-04-15T17:07:27.370-04:002012-04-15T17:07:27.370-04:00Facinating to hear first hand account from one who...Facinating to hear first hand account from one who has been there and done that.<br /><br />I wonder to what degree the hypnotic effect is dependent on, or enhanced by, lower intelligence of the congregant, along with their necessary religious preparation. My educated guess is that the least intelligent would be most susseptible to the suggestions of the minister.Dromedary Humphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165566701791663057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6211409678921393693.post-50423308768639027782012-04-14T21:33:30.677-04:002012-04-14T21:33:30.677-04:00My husband was the recipient of 'healing hands...My husband was the recipient of 'healing hands' from his sister when she visited us and even though he was not aware at the time of her prayers being directed to his lower back he had a temporary reprieve from his pain. I can understand the placebo effect when you want relief from a mallady but it's nothing short of amazing when you get relief after someone just brushes their hand across your back at a time when you're not expecting it. He is not a believer and was not surprised when the pain came back after two days but the short-lived episode was an eye opener for him. I can't explain it and there certainly was no circus atmosphere involved. For me, faith healing is right up there with extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence...to have any merit amputees would have to regrow limbs and and paralyzed people would have to be able to move again.cici459noreply@blogger.com